Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameLorna Katherine Curzon 
[164, Prob made c. 1931, with adds by Daphne Briscoe], [60, Howe article, Vol XIV, p. 393], [3, Her death (as L K Howe) aged 73, Wokingham dist, vol 6a, p. 336]
[164, Prob made c. 1931, with adds by Daphne Briscoe], [60, Howe article, Vol XIV, p. 393], [3, Her death (as L K Howe) aged 73, Wokingham dist, vol 6a, p. 336]Birth1890
DeathFeb 1961, Wokingham district
Burial1 Mar 1961, Penn Street church, nr Amersham
GeneralOnly child, probably dsp.
FatherMajor Ernest Charles Penn Curzon (1856-1938)
MotherEdith Basset CBE (ca1862-1943)
Spouses
1Richard George Penn Curzon-Howe Earl Howe [164, Prob made c. 1931, with adds by Daphne Briscoe], [60, Howe article, Vol VI, pp. 602-3], [60, Howe article, Vol XIV, p. 393], [3, His birth, Q2 of 1861, St Geo Han Sq dist, vol 1a, p. 236]
[164, Prob made c. 1931, with adds by Daphne Briscoe], [60, Howe article, Vol VI, pp. 602-3], [60, Howe article, Vol XIV, p. 393], [3, His birth, Q2 of 1861, St Geo Han Sq dist, vol 1a, p. 236]FatherGeneral Richard William Penn Curzon-Howe Earl Howe (1822-1900)
MotherIsabella Elizabeth Annabella Anson (-1922)
Marriage4 Aug 1927, St Mark’s, North Audley St, London [60], [3, Their marriage, Q3 of 1927, St Geo Han Pl dist, vol 1a, p. 1147], [13, Their marriage announcement on July 30th 1927]
Notes for Lorna Katherine Curzon
m. (1) Quinton Dick (’Quintin’ in BMD Indices), (2) Earl Howe.
No record of any Dick or Howe births to her, hence probably dsp.
Nothing remotely like her name can be found in FreeBMD births for 1890.
Her first marriage in 1908, when she was 17 and giving her second forename:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1908
CURZON Lorna Katherine St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
DICK Quintin St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
HUME Quintin Dick St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
KNOLLYS Robert Walter E St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
MURRAY Etheldred Mary St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
Why did he have also a surname of Hume? A title? Not in CP, though. The names are definitely on the original indices so the answer must be to get the marriage cert (which I’m not going to do). Or pay Big Bucks for the 1911 census? (Not that either!)
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Is this Q Dick’s birth:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1867
Dick Quintin William J Strand 1b 577
Doubtful: in 1881 he was the 14 year old son of a house decorator.
But in the 1901 census there is a 50 year old wealthy chap who was born in Dublin:
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born
DICK, Quintin Head Single M 50 1851 [No occupation] Co Dublin
SCOTT, Frank Private Sec Single M 31 1870 Secretary Horsham, Sussex
NORGATE, David Servant Married M 40 1861 Butler Domestic Ropley, Hampshire
FROST, Joseph Servant Single M 28 1873 Footman Domestic Torento, Canada
PETTITT, Chas Servant Single M 34 1867 Oddman Domestic Liphook, Hampshire
DAY, Sarah Servant Single F 23 1878 Housemaid Domestic Audly End, Essex
SLADE, Bertha Servant Single F 21 1880 Housemaid Domestic Enfield
ALLEN, Edith Servant Single F 18 1883 Housemaid Domestic Rembolton, Huntingdonshire
BLOOMFIELD, Priscilla Servant Single F 34 1867 Housekeeper Domestic Glemsfall, Suffolk
HOPKINS, Ellen Servant Single F 24 1877 Kitchenmaid Domestic Hardwick, Gloucestershire
DRAPER, Alice Servant Single F 20 1881 Scullerymaid Domestic London
RG number: RG13 Piece: 84 Folio: 22 Page: 35
Registration District: St George Hanover Square Sub District: Belgrave EnumerationDistrict: 1
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Pauls Knightsbridge
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Municipal Borough:
Address: 12, Grosvenor Crescent, St George Hanover Square
County: London
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This is almost certainly his death, though he was 4 years older than the 1901 census gave:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1923
DICK Quinton D 77 St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 511
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The Times reported her first proposed marriage as to be on 27th Oct 1908 to Mr Quinton Dick of Carantrila Park, county Galway. She was down as the dau. of Major and Mrs Penn Curzon.
He was also named as Captain Quintin Curzon.
The wedding was at St Paul’s Church, Knightsbridge. Her grandmother was given as Mrs Basset of Watermouth Castle, Ilfracombe.
His funeral was at St Paul’s church, Knightsbridge with internment at Kensal Green Cemetary. A string of titled people turned up for the obviously grand event.
The Wills and Bequests notice was:
“Capt Quintin Dick of Grosvenor Crescent SW and of Carantrile, Co Galway, formerly of the Derbyshire Yeomanry and the Royal Antril Rifles, a former High Sheriff of Co. Wicklow, and in his younger days a well-known sportsman, who died on December 9, aged 76, son of the late Rev Quintin Dick Hume (the name of Hume having been assumed on his succession to the property of his great-uncle, Mr Quintin Dick MP, and a grandson of the founder of the Bank of Ireland, left property in his own disposition of £336,952 with net personalty £316,657. The testator left:--
“£100 to the Labrador Club; £200 to his butler, Alfred Alcock; £100 to his former housemaid Minnie Robertson “as a mark of his respect”, £60meach to R Robertson, gillie at Woodend, and his gardener, Alexander Sheriffs; one year’s wages to each other servant of 12 months’ service; £1,000 to mark T Fenton, son of his late agent; and he directed that his remains should be buried with those of his parents in the family vault in Mount Jerome Cemetery, Dublin.
“In the event of his having disposal of five-twelfths of the Dick Trust Fund left by the will of his late great-uncle, Quintin Dick, he made the following further bequests:
“£8.000 to the Brompton Hospital for Consumption; £4,000 to St George’s Hospital, London (of which £1,000 is for a Quintin Dick Bed) and the balance “for strictly hospital purposes only”); £4,000 to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals; and £4,000 to Mark T Fenton, son of his late agent.”
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At her funeral was a Captain Quintin Curzon. Who?
No record of any Dick or Howe births to her, hence probably dsp.
Nothing remotely like her name can be found in FreeBMD births for 1890.
Her first marriage in 1908, when she was 17 and giving her second forename:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1908
CURZON Lorna Katherine St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
DICK Quintin St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
HUME Quintin Dick St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
KNOLLYS Robert Walter E St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
MURRAY Etheldred Mary St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 911
Why did he have also a surname of Hume? A title? Not in CP, though. The names are definitely on the original indices so the answer must be to get the marriage cert (which I’m not going to do). Or pay Big Bucks for the 1911 census? (Not that either!)
__________________________________
Is this Q Dick’s birth:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1867
Dick Quintin William J Strand 1b 577
Doubtful: in 1881 he was the 14 year old son of a house decorator.
But in the 1901 census there is a 50 year old wealthy chap who was born in Dublin:
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born
DICK, Quintin Head Single M 50 1851 [No occupation] Co Dublin
SCOTT, Frank Private Sec Single M 31 1870 Secretary Horsham, Sussex
NORGATE, David Servant Married M 40 1861 Butler Domestic Ropley, Hampshire
FROST, Joseph Servant Single M 28 1873 Footman Domestic Torento, Canada
PETTITT, Chas Servant Single M 34 1867 Oddman Domestic Liphook, Hampshire
DAY, Sarah Servant Single F 23 1878 Housemaid Domestic Audly End, Essex
SLADE, Bertha Servant Single F 21 1880 Housemaid Domestic Enfield
ALLEN, Edith Servant Single F 18 1883 Housemaid Domestic Rembolton, Huntingdonshire
BLOOMFIELD, Priscilla Servant Single F 34 1867 Housekeeper Domestic Glemsfall, Suffolk
HOPKINS, Ellen Servant Single F 24 1877 Kitchenmaid Domestic Hardwick, Gloucestershire
DRAPER, Alice Servant Single F 20 1881 Scullerymaid Domestic London
RG number: RG13 Piece: 84 Folio: 22 Page: 35
Registration District: St George Hanover Square Sub District: Belgrave EnumerationDistrict: 1
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Pauls Knightsbridge
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Municipal Borough:
Address: 12, Grosvenor Crescent, St George Hanover Square
County: London
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This is almost certainly his death, though he was 4 years older than the 1901 census gave:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1923
DICK Quinton D 77 St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 511
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The Times reported her first proposed marriage as to be on 27th Oct 1908 to Mr Quinton Dick of Carantrila Park, county Galway. She was down as the dau. of Major and Mrs Penn Curzon.
He was also named as Captain Quintin Curzon.
The wedding was at St Paul’s Church, Knightsbridge. Her grandmother was given as Mrs Basset of Watermouth Castle, Ilfracombe.
His funeral was at St Paul’s church, Knightsbridge with internment at Kensal Green Cemetary. A string of titled people turned up for the obviously grand event.
The Wills and Bequests notice was:
“Capt Quintin Dick of Grosvenor Crescent SW and of Carantrile, Co Galway, formerly of the Derbyshire Yeomanry and the Royal Antril Rifles, a former High Sheriff of Co. Wicklow, and in his younger days a well-known sportsman, who died on December 9, aged 76, son of the late Rev Quintin Dick Hume (the name of Hume having been assumed on his succession to the property of his great-uncle, Mr Quintin Dick MP, and a grandson of the founder of the Bank of Ireland, left property in his own disposition of £336,952 with net personalty £316,657. The testator left:--
“£100 to the Labrador Club; £200 to his butler, Alfred Alcock; £100 to his former housemaid Minnie Robertson “as a mark of his respect”, £60meach to R Robertson, gillie at Woodend, and his gardener, Alexander Sheriffs; one year’s wages to each other servant of 12 months’ service; £1,000 to mark T Fenton, son of his late agent; and he directed that his remains should be buried with those of his parents in the family vault in Mount Jerome Cemetery, Dublin.
“In the event of his having disposal of five-twelfths of the Dick Trust Fund left by the will of his late great-uncle, Quintin Dick, he made the following further bequests:
“£8.000 to the Brompton Hospital for Consumption; £4,000 to St George’s Hospital, London (of which £1,000 is for a Quintin Dick Bed) and the balance “for strictly hospital purposes only”); £4,000 to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals; and £4,000 to Mark T Fenton, son of his late agent.”
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At her funeral was a Captain Quintin Curzon. Who?
Notes for Richard George Penn & Lorna Katherine (Family)
Their marriage is here:
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1927
Clifford Hetty D Spring-Smyth St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Dick Lorna K Q Penn St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Dick Lorna K Q Howe St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Howe Richard G (Earl) Dick St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Penn Richard G (Earl Howe) Dick St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Smith Edward F S Clifford St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Smyth Edward F S Clifford St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1147
Spring-Smyth Edward F Clifford St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1147
In The Times’ report, the earl’s best man was his grandson Edward Penn Curzon.
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1927
Clifford Hetty D Spring-Smyth St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Dick Lorna K Q Penn St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Dick Lorna K Q Howe St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Howe Richard G (Earl) Dick St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Penn Richard G (Earl Howe) Dick St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Smith Edward F S Clifford St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1147
Smyth Edward F S Clifford St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1147
Spring-Smyth Edward F Clifford St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1147
In The Times’ report, the earl’s best man was his grandson Edward Penn Curzon.