Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameRobert de Tosny Lord of Belvoir 
[325, p. 2 and subsequent notes], [60, Norfolk art, Vol IX, p. 578], [295, No 9, Keats-Rohan: Heirs of Robt & Berengar Tosny], [80, Robert de Todeni de Beluedoir, pp. 380-1], [121, Belvoir, Leics barony, p. 12]
[325, p. 2 and subsequent notes], [60, Norfolk art, Vol IX, p. 578], [295, No 9, Keats-Rohan: Heirs of Robt & Berengar Tosny], [80, Robert de Todeni de Beluedoir, pp. 380-1], [121, Belvoir, Leics barony, p. 12]Deathca 1093
BurialBelvoir priory
GeneralOf Belvoir and Normandy (somewhere). In Domesday.
FatherN de Toni (-ca1023)
Spouses
Notes for Robert de Tosny Lord of Belvoir
Keats-Rohan: Probably a collateral of his contempoaries Ralph and Roger (Tosni).
And probably the son of Robert de Tosny, founder of Conches.
Peter Stewart has produced a magisterial study of “Origin and early generations of the Tosny family”, to be found at <http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gentxt/Ori...f>. In this he delineates Robert’s ancestry, siblings and cousins over four generations before Robert. I think the bare details need to be added to this database as they are as good as can be.
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TFPL, Mar 2020: I have finally got round to Peter Stewarts’ very fine account of this very early family. Of course it is speculative, of course there are reservations within his account but it remains a superb collection of all the documents known of this early family and a good analysis of what they imply. One thing that is not in doubt is that I am hopelessly unqualified to respond: I do not have the documents, I cannot read them, I do not know the languages used and I do not know the customs and practices of those times.
That said, here is Robert’s podition in the family:
1. He is great-great-grandson of Hugo the earliest identifiable male line ancestor.
2. His ancestry is, with the generation numbering in pp. 1 and 2 of Peter’s account:
HUGO of Cavalcamp, Calvacamp or Calvacaput, son or grandson of MALAHULCIUS (uncle of ROLLO).
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1.2: RADULF I, b ca 915/20, seigneur of Tosny aft 942,3 d aft 1 May 991
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2.2: RADULF II, b ca 955, seigneur of Tosny, d aft 1023
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3.2: N, k batt ca 1023
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4.8 ROBERT, lord of Belvoir, d ca 1093, bur Belvoir priory = ADELAIS, d bef ca 1093, bur Belvoir priory
3. Of the above five generations for only for the last is the wife and mother of the next known.
The account then continues with 80 pages of information and notes on the table in the first wo pages.
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And probably the son of Robert de Tosny, founder of Conches.
Peter Stewart has produced a magisterial study of “Origin and early generations of the Tosny family”, to be found at <http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gentxt/Ori...f>. In this he delineates Robert’s ancestry, siblings and cousins over four generations before Robert. I think the bare details need to be added to this database as they are as good as can be.
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TFPL, Mar 2020: I have finally got round to Peter Stewarts’ very fine account of this very early family. Of course it is speculative, of course there are reservations within his account but it remains a superb collection of all the documents known of this early family and a good analysis of what they imply. One thing that is not in doubt is that I am hopelessly unqualified to respond: I do not have the documents, I cannot read them, I do not know the languages used and I do not know the customs and practices of those times.
That said, here is Robert’s podition in the family:
1. He is great-great-grandson of Hugo the earliest identifiable male line ancestor.
2. His ancestry is, with the generation numbering in pp. 1 and 2 of Peter’s account:
HUGO of Cavalcamp, Calvacamp or Calvacaput, son or grandson of MALAHULCIUS (uncle of ROLLO).
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1.2: RADULF I, b ca 915/20, seigneur of Tosny aft 942,3 d aft 1 May 991
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2.2: RADULF II, b ca 955, seigneur of Tosny, d aft 1023
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3.2: N, k batt ca 1023
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4.8 ROBERT, lord of Belvoir, d ca 1093, bur Belvoir priory = ADELAIS, d bef ca 1093, bur Belvoir priory
3. Of the above five generations for only for the last is the wife and mother of the next known.
The account then continues with 80 pages of information and notes on the table in the first wo pages.
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Arms Generally notes for Robert de Tosny Lord of Belvoir
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