|Notes for Beatrice de Cormeilles|
|Her parentage from CP is questioned and Gordon Kirkemo has come upwith the suggesiton that she might be the dau. of Robert camerarius, chamberlain to the earl of Richmond and that she then m. Richard de Cormeilles:|
From: "Chris Phillips" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Apparent CP/DD Conflict (de Lisle)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:01:43 +0100
Gordon Kirkemo wrote:
> Now, in CP Vol. VIII, Sub Lisle, there is a chart showing the descent of
> Lisle of Rougemont and Lisle of Kingston Lisle. The second Robert de
> is shown with a wife named Beatrice de Cormeilles, who according to the
> chart is the daughter of Ralph, sewer to the Earl of Richmond. This is
> reported on page 69 in the text for Lisle of Rougemont.
> In DD (page 200), I find Robert Camerarius, Chamberlain to earl Conan of
> Richmond, and son and successor to Odo Camerarius. He is described as
> having three sons and four daughters. The daughters were his eventual
> heirs, and one of them is identified as Beatrice, wife of (1) Richard de
> Cormeilles and (2) of Robert de Lisle. I also find a Radulf Camerarius
> identified as chamberlain to Earl Conan with no additional information
> concerning parentage or children.
I can't resolve the conflict (though CP does have a definite citation that's
meant to show that the Robert de Lisle of c. 1207 was a grandson of Ralph
the sewer, and DD gives enough references that the evidence may become
I do think the chronology of the DD version is very strange. Combining the
entry for Robert Camerarius on p. 200 with that for Ricardus de Cormeilles
on pp. 410, 411, it seems we have (with other siblings, omitted):
1. Odo, Domesday tenant 1086
2. His son Robert, succeeded by 1129/30
3. His daughter Beatrice, married first to Richard de Cormeilles (active by
1134, d. either 1175/6 [p. 411] or 1177 [p. 200]), then remarried to Robert
de Lisle and (if CP is to be believed) bearing him a child.
I don't know which bit is likely to be wrong, but I find it very difficult
> It seems possible
> that Camerarius and Cormeilles might both be derivatives of Chamberlain,
> that is only a wild guess on my part.
Camerarius is certainly latin for Chamberlain, but Cormeilles is a place
name (Eure, arrondissement Point-Audemer, according to DP 155).
|Last Modified 25 Oct 2005||Created 9 Dec 2011 By Tim Powys-Lybbe|