Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
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NameSir William de Fienes 
[74, No 8524, p. 138, no 10574, p. 152 & no 21018, p. 197], [60, Audley art, Vol I,p.347], [60, Mortimer art, Vol IX, p. 283 & note (g)], [60, Hereford article, Vol VI, p. 465, note (d)]
[74, No 8524, p. 138, no 10574, p. 152 & no 21018, p. 197], [60, Audley art, Vol I,p.347], [60, Mortimer art, Vol IX, p. 283 & note (g)], [60, Hereford article, Vol VI, p. 465, note (d)]Death11 Jul 1302, Slain at battle of Courtrai.
GeneralTenant in chief of Wendover, Bucks.
FatherSir Enguerrand de Fiennes Seigneur de Fiennes (-1269)
Spouses
Notes for Sir William de Fienes
CP says he was 2nd cousin to Q. Eleanor of Castile, in the Mortimer article, and explicitly refers to info in the Hereford article:
CP, Vol VI, pp. 465-6, under Hereford, shows a Maud de Fienes. "She was da. of Enguerrand de Fiennes, Seigneur de Fiennes in Guisnes by (--), da. of Jacques, Seigneur de Condé, Ballieul, and Moriammez in Hainault, and grandaughter of Guillaume de Fiennes, by Agnes de Dammertin, da. of Alberic (II), Count of Dammartin".
Later CP adds (note d): "also an inspeximus, 18 June 1275, of letters patent of William de Fenlis [sic], Lord of Fenles, pledging the manor of Martock, Somerset, to the Queen, who, at his request had given a bond in £1,000 to Sir Humphrey de Bohun with his sister Maud de Fenles in marriage"
Sounds like this William and this Maud were both offspring of Enguerrand de Fiennes, Seigneur de Fiennes in Guisnes.
In note (a) on page 466 it adds: "Simon de Dammertin, Count of Aumâle, by his wife Marie, Countess of Ponthieu (cousin german of Louis VIII of France), was father of Jeanne, Countess of Ponthieu and Aumâle, who m. Ferdinand III of Castile and Leon, who was father by her of Queen Eleanor, consort of Edward I."
The conclusion from the last paragraph is that Simon de Dammertin was the son of Alberic II de Dammertin. This is the only way that Maud, and William, can be second cousins of Eleanor of Castile.
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From the Missenden cartularly, Appendix B, it seems that the William de Fienes who held Wendover left it to his son Ingelram. I wonder what happended to Ingelram?
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CP, Vol VI, pp. 465-6, under Hereford, shows a Maud de Fienes. "She was da. of Enguerrand de Fiennes, Seigneur de Fiennes in Guisnes by (--), da. of Jacques, Seigneur de Condé, Ballieul, and Moriammez in Hainault, and grandaughter of Guillaume de Fiennes, by Agnes de Dammertin, da. of Alberic (II), Count of Dammartin".
Later CP adds (note d): "also an inspeximus, 18 June 1275, of letters patent of William de Fenlis [sic], Lord of Fenles, pledging the manor of Martock, Somerset, to the Queen, who, at his request had given a bond in £1,000 to Sir Humphrey de Bohun with his sister Maud de Fenles in marriage"
Sounds like this William and this Maud were both offspring of Enguerrand de Fiennes, Seigneur de Fiennes in Guisnes.
In note (a) on page 466 it adds: "Simon de Dammertin, Count of Aumâle, by his wife Marie, Countess of Ponthieu (cousin german of Louis VIII of France), was father of Jeanne, Countess of Ponthieu and Aumâle, who m. Ferdinand III of Castile and Leon, who was father by her of Queen Eleanor, consort of Edward I."
The conclusion from the last paragraph is that Simon de Dammertin was the son of Alberic II de Dammertin. This is the only way that Maud, and William, can be second cousins of Eleanor of Castile.
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From the Missenden cartularly, Appendix B, it seems that the William de Fienes who held Wendover left it to his son Ingelram. I wonder what happended to Ingelram?
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