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NameRoger Bigod Earl of Norfolk 
[54, His own article], [60, Norfolk art, Vol IX, pp. 586-9], [60, Oxford art, Vol X, p.193 seq], [100, Ray Phair, 3 Jul 2, "Countess ida Bigod, Longspee"], [121, Framlingham, Suffolk barony, p. 47]
[54, His own article], [60, Norfolk art, Vol IX, pp. 586-9], [60, Oxford art, Vol X, p.193 seq], [100, Ray Phair, 3 Jul 2, "Countess ida Bigod, Longspee"], [121, Framlingham, Suffolk barony, p. 47]Deathbef 2 Aug 1221
General2nd earl. A judge in the King's court.
FatherHugh Bigod Earl of Norfolk (ca1095-<1177)
MotherJuliana de Vere (->1185)
Spouses
Notes for Roger Bigod Earl of Norfolk
From soc.genealogy.medieval:
From: "Rosie Bevan" <rbevan@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Liber Vitae and the family of Roger and Ida Bigod
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:07:04 +1200
Today I had a look at the two volumes from the Surtees Society volumes
covering the Liber Vitae of Durham. They are:
v.13 - Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis: Nec Non Obituaria Duo Ejusdem
Ecclesiae, edited by J.Stevenson (1841)
v.136 - Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis : A Collotype Facsimile of the
Original Manuscript, edited by A.H.Thomson (1928)
The Liber Vitae is a volume compiled over a period of 600 years which
consists of the names of the benefactors to the Church of St Cuthbert,
Durham. It was placed on the High Altar and was used by the monks when
praying for the benefactors during Divine Service, though probably
impracticable to read out the whole list. It was initially a very sumptuous
work, highly structured and written in alternate lines of gold and silver
ink in a very beautiful hand, and begun some time in the ninth century at
Lindisfarne. However from about 1200 onwards, the handwriting degenerated,
and as the book filled, spaces in previous pages were randomly filled in, or
the writing on some of the pages was rubbed out to make room for new
entries, resulting in a chaotic mess.
Perhaps owing to this, the editor of volume 13, J. Stevenson, was not very
consistent in copying the names as they appeared on the original pages, with
the result that family clusters are obscured in his transcription.
For example on page 107 of v. 13 is the following:
"Comes Rogerus Bigot
Ida uxor ejus
Henricus Capellanus
Hugo
Willelmus
Rogerus
Johannes
Radulphus
G G Dapifer
Basilia
Maria
Margaret
Ida, pueri ejus"
Somewhat baffled by the inclusion of Henricus Capellanus, GG Dapifer and
wondering whether Basilia was a previously unknown daughter of Roger and
Ida, I looked in vol. 136 which has the folio pages reproduced
photographically, and realised that the editor had extracted the names
reading from left to right, ignoring the context.
The names were actually arranged thus
"Comes Rogu's Bigot. Ida uxor ej Henricus capell.
Hugo Will's Rogu's Johs Radulf GG Dapifer
Maria Margared Ida pueri ej [illegible] Basilia"
The three names at the end had been added later in the space left between
the Bigod entry and the end of the page. This is clearly an example of the
misleading editing of the first volume of the Liber Vitae, and why it was
felt the second one needed to be published.
From this we can see that the children of Roger and Ida Bigod are said to be
named Hugh, William, Roger, John, Ralph, Maria, Margaret and Ida. How
contemporary or reliable this entry is, I have no idea, nor whether the
William named is William Longespee or William Bigod.
Another significant entry is supportive of Ray Phair's recent post on the
subject on the mother of Robert fitzMeldred, Joan de Stuteville.
"Gilebert Halsart et Johanna de Stuteville " (v.13 p. 19; v.136 f.23b]
It is known that Gilbert Hansard was brother of Robert fitzMaldred, though
evidently by different fathers, by the attestation of a charter, ["Roberto
fil. Meldredi, Gileberto Hansard fratri suo"]. Gilebert Halsart mentioned in
the Liber Vitae is probably husband of Joan de Stuteville and father of
Gilbert Hansard.
Another family grouping of Malcolm, Earl of Atholl appears in v.13 p.100
"Malcolmus filius Mal. et comes Athodlie
Hextilda filia Ucthredi uxor ejus
Simon filius ejus
Henricus filius ejus
Dunecanus frater ejus
Bedoch soror ejus
Kelehathoni filius ejus
Cristina soror ejus
Constantinus nepos ejus"
One entry which caught my interest is that of
"Comes Willelmus de Salesburie,
Gundre comitissa"
This is clearly not William Longespee as he was Earl of Salisbury by right
of his wife, Ela, who outlived him. This must then refer to William
FitzPatrick, but I was not aware that he had a wife called Gundred nor is it
mentioned in the Complete Peerage. Nevertheless, it would be reasonable to
assume that he had a previous wife because he married Eleanor de Vitre,
mother of his daughter and heir, when he was about 40 years of age.
It seems to me that the Liber Vitae, which contains over 3000 names, has
much raw genealogical data, which would be of value and interest to this
group.
Cheers
Rosie
________________
From: "Rosie Bevan" <rbevan@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Liber Vitae and the family of Roger and Ida Bigod
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:07:04 +1200
Today I had a look at the two volumes from the Surtees Society volumes
covering the Liber Vitae of Durham. They are:
v.13 - Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis: Nec Non Obituaria Duo Ejusdem
Ecclesiae, edited by J.Stevenson (1841)
v.136 - Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis : A Collotype Facsimile of the
Original Manuscript, edited by A.H.Thomson (1928)
The Liber Vitae is a volume compiled over a period of 600 years which
consists of the names of the benefactors to the Church of St Cuthbert,
Durham. It was placed on the High Altar and was used by the monks when
praying for the benefactors during Divine Service, though probably
impracticable to read out the whole list. It was initially a very sumptuous
work, highly structured and written in alternate lines of gold and silver
ink in a very beautiful hand, and begun some time in the ninth century at
Lindisfarne. However from about 1200 onwards, the handwriting degenerated,
and as the book filled, spaces in previous pages were randomly filled in, or
the writing on some of the pages was rubbed out to make room for new
entries, resulting in a chaotic mess.
Perhaps owing to this, the editor of volume 13, J. Stevenson, was not very
consistent in copying the names as they appeared on the original pages, with
the result that family clusters are obscured in his transcription.
For example on page 107 of v. 13 is the following:
"Comes Rogerus Bigot
Ida uxor ejus
Henricus Capellanus
Hugo
Willelmus
Rogerus
Johannes
Radulphus
G G Dapifer
Basilia
Maria
Margaret
Ida, pueri ejus"
Somewhat baffled by the inclusion of Henricus Capellanus, GG Dapifer and
wondering whether Basilia was a previously unknown daughter of Roger and
Ida, I looked in vol. 136 which has the folio pages reproduced
photographically, and realised that the editor had extracted the names
reading from left to right, ignoring the context.
The names were actually arranged thus
"Comes Rogu's Bigot. Ida uxor ej Henricus capell.
Hugo Will's Rogu's Johs Radulf GG Dapifer
Maria Margared Ida pueri ej [illegible] Basilia"
The three names at the end had been added later in the space left between
the Bigod entry and the end of the page. This is clearly an example of the
misleading editing of the first volume of the Liber Vitae, and why it was
felt the second one needed to be published.
From this we can see that the children of Roger and Ida Bigod are said to be
named Hugh, William, Roger, John, Ralph, Maria, Margaret and Ida. How
contemporary or reliable this entry is, I have no idea, nor whether the
William named is William Longespee or William Bigod.
Another significant entry is supportive of Ray Phair's recent post on the
subject on the mother of Robert fitzMeldred, Joan de Stuteville.
"Gilebert Halsart et Johanna de Stuteville " (v.13 p. 19; v.136 f.23b]
It is known that Gilbert Hansard was brother of Robert fitzMaldred, though
evidently by different fathers, by the attestation of a charter, ["Roberto
fil. Meldredi, Gileberto Hansard fratri suo"]. Gilebert Halsart mentioned in
the Liber Vitae is probably husband of Joan de Stuteville and father of
Gilbert Hansard.
Another family grouping of Malcolm, Earl of Atholl appears in v.13 p.100
"Malcolmus filius Mal. et comes Athodlie
Hextilda filia Ucthredi uxor ejus
Simon filius ejus
Henricus filius ejus
Dunecanus frater ejus
Bedoch soror ejus
Kelehathoni filius ejus
Cristina soror ejus
Constantinus nepos ejus"
One entry which caught my interest is that of
"Comes Willelmus de Salesburie,
Gundre comitissa"
This is clearly not William Longespee as he was Earl of Salisbury by right
of his wife, Ela, who outlived him. This must then refer to William
FitzPatrick, but I was not aware that he had a wife called Gundred nor is it
mentioned in the Complete Peerage. Nevertheless, it would be reasonable to
assume that he had a previous wife because he married Eleanor de Vitre,
mother of his daughter and heir, when he was about 40 years of age.
It seems to me that the Liber Vitae, which contains over 3000 names, has
much raw genealogical data, which would be of value and interest to this
group.
Cheers
Rosie
________________
Arms Generally notes for Roger Bigod Earl of Norfolk
In the Pedigree of Tailbois and Neville, The Genealogist NS, vol 3, p. 32:
Arms: Party per pale Or and Azure a lion rampant Gules (BIGOD)
_____________
Arms: Party per pale Or and Azure a lion rampant Gules (BIGOD)
_____________
Armorial Blazon notes for Roger Bigod Earl of Norfolk
Both BOMC and NSMCD&B have
Or a cross gules.
But these are the arms of Ulster...
Or a cross gules.
But these are the arms of Ulster...
DNB Main notes for Roger Bigod Earl of Norfolk
Bigod, Roger d. 1221, second Earl of Norfolk
Name: Bigod, Roger
Title: second Earl of Norfolk
Dates: d. 1221
Active Date: 1201
Gender: Male
Sources: Chronicles of R. de. Hoveden, Bened. of Peterborough...
Contributor: E. M. T. [Edward Maunde Thompson]
Article
Bigod, Roger d. 1221, second Earl of Norfolk, was son of Hugh, first earl [q.v.]. On the death of his father in 1176, he and his stepmother, Gundreda, appealed to the king on a dispute touching the inheritance, the countess pressing the claims of her own son. Henry thereupon seized the treasures of Earl Hugh into his own hands, and it seems that during the remainder of this reign Roger had small power, even if his succession was allowed. His position, however, was not entirely overlooked. He appears as a witness to Henry's award between the kings of Navarre and Castile on 16 March 1177, and in 1186 he did his feudal service as steward in the court held at Guildford.
On Richard's succession to the throne, 3 Sept. 1189, Bigod was taken into favour. By charter of 27 Nov. the new king confirmed him in all his honours, in the earldom of Norfolk, and in the stewardship of the royal household, as freely as Roger, his grandfather, and Hugh, his father, had held it. He was next appointed one of the ambassadors to Philip of France to arrange for the crusade, and during Richard's absence from England on that expedition he supported the king's authority against the designs of Prince John. On the pacification of the quarrel between the prince and the chancellor, William Longchamp, bishop of Ely, on 28 July 1191, Bigod was put into possession of the castle of Hereford, one of the strongholds surrendered by John, and was one of the chancellor's sureties in the agreement. In April 1193 he was summoned with certain other barons and prelates to attend the chancellor into Germany, where negotiations were being carried on to effect Richard's release from captivity; and in 1194, after the surrender of Nottingham to the king, he was present in that city at the great council held on 30 March. At Richard's re-coronation, 17 April, he assisted in bearing the canopy. In July or August of the same year he appears as one of the commissioners sent to York to settle a quarrel between the archbishop and the canons.
After Richard's return home, Bigod's name is found on the records as a justiciar, fines being levied before him in the fifth year of that king's reign, and from the seventh onwards. He also appears as a justice itinerant in Norfolk. After Richard's death, Bigod succeeded in gaining John's favour, and in the first years of his reign continued to act as a judge. In October 1200 he was one of the envoys sent to summon William of Scotland to do homage at Lincoln, and was a witness at the ceremony on 22 Nov. following; but at a later period he appears to have fallen into disgrace, and was imprisoned in 1213. In the course of the same year, however, he was released and apparently restored to favour, as he accompanied the king to Poitou in February 1214, and about the same time compounded by a fine of 2,000 marks for the service of 120 knights and all arrears of scutages. Next year he joined the confederate barons in the movement which resulted in the grant of Magna Charta on 15 June 1215, and was one of the twenty-five executors, or trustees, of its provisions. He was consequently included in the sentence of excommunication which Innocent III soon afterwards declared against the king's opponents, and his lands were cruelly harried by John's troops in their incursions into the eastern counties.
After the accession of Henry III, Bigod returned to his allegiance, and his hereditary right to the stewardship of the royal household was finally recognised at the council of Oxford on 1 May 1221. But before the following August he died. He was succeeded by his eldest son, Hugh, as third earl, who, however, survived him only four years.
Sources
Chronicles of R. de. Hoveden, Bened. of Peterborough, and Matthew Paris (Rolls Ser.); Dugdale's Baronage, i. 132; Foss's Judges of England, ii. 40; Stubbs's Constitutional History; Eyton's Itinerary of Henry II.
Contributor: E. M. T.
published 1885
Name: Bigod, Roger
Title: second Earl of Norfolk
Dates: d. 1221
Active Date: 1201
Gender: Male
Sources: Chronicles of R. de. Hoveden, Bened. of Peterborough...
Contributor: E. M. T. [Edward Maunde Thompson]
Article
Bigod, Roger d. 1221, second Earl of Norfolk, was son of Hugh, first earl [q.v.]. On the death of his father in 1176, he and his stepmother, Gundreda, appealed to the king on a dispute touching the inheritance, the countess pressing the claims of her own son. Henry thereupon seized the treasures of Earl Hugh into his own hands, and it seems that during the remainder of this reign Roger had small power, even if his succession was allowed. His position, however, was not entirely overlooked. He appears as a witness to Henry's award between the kings of Navarre and Castile on 16 March 1177, and in 1186 he did his feudal service as steward in the court held at Guildford.
On Richard's succession to the throne, 3 Sept. 1189, Bigod was taken into favour. By charter of 27 Nov. the new king confirmed him in all his honours, in the earldom of Norfolk, and in the stewardship of the royal household, as freely as Roger, his grandfather, and Hugh, his father, had held it. He was next appointed one of the ambassadors to Philip of France to arrange for the crusade, and during Richard's absence from England on that expedition he supported the king's authority against the designs of Prince John. On the pacification of the quarrel between the prince and the chancellor, William Longchamp, bishop of Ely, on 28 July 1191, Bigod was put into possession of the castle of Hereford, one of the strongholds surrendered by John, and was one of the chancellor's sureties in the agreement. In April 1193 he was summoned with certain other barons and prelates to attend the chancellor into Germany, where negotiations were being carried on to effect Richard's release from captivity; and in 1194, after the surrender of Nottingham to the king, he was present in that city at the great council held on 30 March. At Richard's re-coronation, 17 April, he assisted in bearing the canopy. In July or August of the same year he appears as one of the commissioners sent to York to settle a quarrel between the archbishop and the canons.
After Richard's return home, Bigod's name is found on the records as a justiciar, fines being levied before him in the fifth year of that king's reign, and from the seventh onwards. He also appears as a justice itinerant in Norfolk. After Richard's death, Bigod succeeded in gaining John's favour, and in the first years of his reign continued to act as a judge. In October 1200 he was one of the envoys sent to summon William of Scotland to do homage at Lincoln, and was a witness at the ceremony on 22 Nov. following; but at a later period he appears to have fallen into disgrace, and was imprisoned in 1213. In the course of the same year, however, he was released and apparently restored to favour, as he accompanied the king to Poitou in February 1214, and about the same time compounded by a fine of 2,000 marks for the service of 120 knights and all arrears of scutages. Next year he joined the confederate barons in the movement which resulted in the grant of Magna Charta on 15 June 1215, and was one of the twenty-five executors, or trustees, of its provisions. He was consequently included in the sentence of excommunication which Innocent III soon afterwards declared against the king's opponents, and his lands were cruelly harried by John's troops in their incursions into the eastern counties.
After the accession of Henry III, Bigod returned to his allegiance, and his hereditary right to the stewardship of the royal household was finally recognised at the council of Oxford on 1 May 1221. But before the following August he died. He was succeeded by his eldest son, Hugh, as third earl, who, however, survived him only four years.
Sources
Chronicles of R. de. Hoveden, Bened. of Peterborough, and Matthew Paris (Rolls Ser.); Dugdale's Baronage, i. 132; Foss's Judges of England, ii. 40; Stubbs's Constitutional History; Eyton's Itinerary of Henry II.
Contributor: E. M. T.
published 1885