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NameGilbert de Lacy 
[119, Gilbert de Lacy, p. 536], [54, His co-article], [121, Weobley, Herefords barony, p. 95]
[119, Gilbert de Lacy, p. 536], [54, His co-article], [121, Weobley, Herefords barony, p. 95]Deathbef 1160
GeneralRecovered his father's lands from Roger, earl of Hereford: c. 1148
FatherRoger de Lacy (->1106)
Notes for Gilbert de Lacy
Feudal baron of Weobley, Herefords.
Became a Knight Tempalr and a Crusader.
He used to be thought of as the Lacy heir via an Aunt Emma whose husband was unknown. The is in DNB, CP and Sanders' Baronis. But in 2002 Keats-Rohan's book stated that "very probably" he was in fact the son of Roger, and hence the undeniable heir to the Lacy lands. This makes more sense as Hugh in fact had a daughter Sybil who would have been hsi heir and not some son of Hugh's sister Emma "of whom K-R makes no mention at all, indicating that Emma may have been fictitious. It is noteworthy that CP (in the Munchensy article, Vol IX, p. 424-6) had made Hugh dsp, which would indeed have made an Emma's son the Lacy heir.
But on the basis that his uncle Hugh had held the Lacy lands after the bansihment of his father Roger, the lands then moved through Hugh's daughter Sibyl to Sybil's son-in-law the earl of Hereford, Roger son of Miles of Gloucester. Gilbert had to wrest them out of Roger the earl's possion, doubtless eased by Roger the earl's own rebellion against the sovereign which led to Roger's disgrace.
Became a Knight Tempalr and a Crusader.
He used to be thought of as the Lacy heir via an Aunt Emma whose husband was unknown. The is in DNB, CP and Sanders' Baronis. But in 2002 Keats-Rohan's book stated that "very probably" he was in fact the son of Roger, and hence the undeniable heir to the Lacy lands. This makes more sense as Hugh in fact had a daughter Sybil who would have been hsi heir and not some son of Hugh's sister Emma "of whom K-R makes no mention at all, indicating that Emma may have been fictitious. It is noteworthy that CP (in the Munchensy article, Vol IX, p. 424-6) had made Hugh dsp, which would indeed have made an Emma's son the Lacy heir.
But on the basis that his uncle Hugh had held the Lacy lands after the bansihment of his father Roger, the lands then moved through Hugh's daughter Sibyl to Sybil's son-in-law the earl of Hereford, Roger son of Miles of Gloucester. Gilbert had to wrest them out of Roger the earl's possion, doubtless eased by Roger the earl's own rebellion against the sovereign which led to Roger's disgrace.
DNB Main notes for Gilbert de Lacy
Co-subject: Lacy, Gilbert de, [fourth Baron Lacy]
Dates: fl. 1150
Active Date: 1150
Gender: Male
Article
Gilbert de Lacy fl. 1150, fourth baron Lacy, was son of Emma, daughter of Walter de Lacy, first baron [q.v.]. His father's name is not known. After the death of his uncle, Hugh de Lacy, the family estates were taken into the royal hands, but Gilbert assumed the name of Lacy. In the reign of Stephen he at first supported the Empress Matilda, in whose behalf he attempted to capture Bath in 1138 (Gesta Stephani, iii. 38, Rolls Series). But by 1146 he had gone over to the king, perhaps because the empress kept Joce de Dinan in possession of Ludlow Castle. So far as there is any truth in the early part of the ‘Romance of Fulk Fitzwarine,’ Gilbert, and not his grandson Walter, must be the hero. That Joce and Gilbert were opponents is an historical fact. Gilbert appears to have obtained the favour of Henry II, and recovered his uncle's lands; in 1158 he was excused the ‘donum’ to the king. A little later he joined the knights of the Temple, and went to the Holy Land. There he became preceptor of his order in the county of Tripoli, in which capacity he engaged in Geoffrey of Angoulême's successful expedition against Noureddin in 1163 (William of Tyre, xix. 8). He gave the templars twelve hides of land, and one virgate in Guttinges, and also five burgages in Winchcombe. He is described as a prudent man and skilful soldier.
Dates: fl. 1150
Active Date: 1150
Gender: Male
Article
Gilbert de Lacy fl. 1150, fourth baron Lacy, was son of Emma, daughter of Walter de Lacy, first baron [q.v.]. His father's name is not known. After the death of his uncle, Hugh de Lacy, the family estates were taken into the royal hands, but Gilbert assumed the name of Lacy. In the reign of Stephen he at first supported the Empress Matilda, in whose behalf he attempted to capture Bath in 1138 (Gesta Stephani, iii. 38, Rolls Series). But by 1146 he had gone over to the king, perhaps because the empress kept Joce de Dinan in possession of Ludlow Castle. So far as there is any truth in the early part of the ‘Romance of Fulk Fitzwarine,’ Gilbert, and not his grandson Walter, must be the hero. That Joce and Gilbert were opponents is an historical fact. Gilbert appears to have obtained the favour of Henry II, and recovered his uncle's lands; in 1158 he was excused the ‘donum’ to the king. A little later he joined the knights of the Temple, and went to the Holy Land. There he became preceptor of his order in the county of Tripoli, in which capacity he engaged in Geoffrey of Angoulême's successful expedition against Noureddin in 1163 (William of Tyre, xix. 8). He gave the templars twelve hides of land, and one virgate in Guttinges, and also five burgages in Winchcombe. He is described as a prudent man and skilful soldier.