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NameWilliam Sidney 
[107, Vol 1, p.263], [40, Second Series, Vol II, p. 345 (Dorset vis'n) (1888)]
[107, Vol 1, p.263], [40, Second Series, Vol II, p. 345 (Dorset vis'n) (1888)]Spouses
1Thomasine Barrington [107, Vol 1, p.263], [40, Second Series, Vol II, p. 345 (Dorset vis'n) (1888)], [142, Line 88A, p. 108], [56, Sussex 1530 & 1634, pub Harleian 1905, Lunsford, p. 30], [56, Essex of 1558, pub Harleian 1878, Barrington p. 23]
[107, Vol 1, p.263], [40, Second Series, Vol II, p. 345 (Dorset vis'n) (1888)], [142, Line 88A, p. 108], [56, Sussex 1530 & 1634, pub Harleian 1905, Lunsford, p. 30], [56, Essex of 1558, pub Harleian 1878, Barrington p. 23]FatherJohn Barrington (-1416)
MotherThomasine Totham (-1420)
ChildrenNicholas (->1512)
Notes for William Sidney
Burke thought he was knighted, doubtful...
The Hants visitations of 1530-1634 show a Mary, dau of Wm Sidney of Penhurst, Kent to have married a John Michelgrove of Michellgrove, Fawkenhurst. I wonder if this is the right Wm. Sidney and if he had a dau. Mary? His grandson Wm. had a dau. Mary but she married a Dormer.
I find no old reference to his ancestry apart from the fictions in the achievement roll done for Henry Sidney KG by Robert Cooke, Clarenceux in the reign of Elizabeth, and certainly before 1593 when Cooke died and 1586 when Henry Sidney died.
Vicary Gibbs, in CP VII, 553, note ((a) says the family descended from John de Sydenie, a Surrey yeoman who lived on a farm at Alford in the reign of Edward I.
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The manor of Penshurst was granted to Sir William Sidney in 4 Ed 6, 1549. (see Halsted's kent, vol 3, Canterbury, Penshurst parish, pp. 227-257):
<on Sir Ralph Fane> "He died without issue and his estate became forseited to the crown, where this manor staid but a short time, for the king, by his letters patent that year, granted to Sir William Sidney, and his heirs, his manor and park of Penshurst, with its appurtenances, leCourt lands in Penshurst and Chidingstone, the manor of Endsfield, called Endsfield farm, and his park in the parish of Lyghe, by estimation three hundred acres of land, to hold in capite by knight's service. This family of Sidney, which was antiently seated at Cranleigh, in Surry, and Kingesham, in Sussex, had their original from Sir William Sidney, chamberlain to Henry II. who came with him from Anjou, a direct descendant from whom was Sir William Sidney above-mentioned, (fn. 14) who in the reign of king Henry VIII. had acquired great reputation in his profession, as a soldier, and in the 5th year of that reign commanded the right wing of the army under the earl of Surry, at the battle of Floddenfield, when he was made a knight banneret. He was chamberlain and afterwards steward to prince Edward before his accession to the crown, after which he was one of the gentlemen of king Edward's privy chamber. He died in the 7th year of Edward VI. and was buried at Penshurst, leaving by Anne his wife, daughter of Hugh Pagenham, Sir Henry Sidney, his son and heir, and four daughters. Sir Henry Sidney had possession granted of the manors of Penshurst and Yensfield that year. He was highly esteemed by king Edward VI. with whom he had been bread from his infancy, and brought up in the court as a companion to him, at whose accession he was knighted, and made gentleman of his privy chamber, and in the 3d year of his reign sent ambassador into France, though not fully twenty-one years old. He was afterwards elected knight of the garter, was of the privy council, and four times made lord justice of Ireland, and thrice deputy for that realm, which is much indebted to him for the wife and prudent regulations he made, and the public works he effected during his government there. Having in his passage by water from Ludlow in Wales, of which principality he was then president, taken cold, he died after a few days sickness in the 28th year of queen Elizabeth, at the bishop's palace at Worcester; whence his body was, by the queen's order, conveyed with great solemnity, according to his degree, to Penshurst, where it was interred, but his heart was carried back to Ludlow, and buried there.
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"By the lady Mary, eldest daughter of John Dudley, duke of Northumberland, he had three sons, Sir Philip, Sir Robert, and Sir Thomas Sidney, and one surviving daughter, Mary, married to Henry, earl of Pembroke. Her name is highly celebrated by her brother, Sir Philip Sidney, in his Arcadia."
So this William Sidney did not own Penshurst. It was first owned by his grandson, Sir William Sidney, the father of Sir Henry Sidney KG.
It would be nice if the people of Kent could get a move on with doing their Victoria County History and elaborate more firmly on the ownership trail for Penshurst.
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A further bit of 'evidence' is to be found in the web-site for Penshurst place which states that in fact the property was gifted to Sir William Sidney in 1552, only three years different to Halsted's account so it has to be thereabouts.
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The Hants visitations of 1530-1634 show a Mary, dau of Wm Sidney of Penhurst, Kent to have married a John Michelgrove of Michellgrove, Fawkenhurst. I wonder if this is the right Wm. Sidney and if he had a dau. Mary? His grandson Wm. had a dau. Mary but she married a Dormer.
I find no old reference to his ancestry apart from the fictions in the achievement roll done for Henry Sidney KG by Robert Cooke, Clarenceux in the reign of Elizabeth, and certainly before 1593 when Cooke died and 1586 when Henry Sidney died.
Vicary Gibbs, in CP VII, 553, note ((a) says the family descended from John de Sydenie, a Surrey yeoman who lived on a farm at Alford in the reign of Edward I.
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The manor of Penshurst was granted to Sir William Sidney in 4 Ed 6, 1549. (see Halsted's kent, vol 3, Canterbury, Penshurst parish, pp. 227-257):
<on Sir Ralph Fane> "He died without issue and his estate became forseited to the crown, where this manor staid but a short time, for the king, by his letters patent that year, granted to Sir William Sidney, and his heirs, his manor and park of Penshurst, with its appurtenances, leCourt lands in Penshurst and Chidingstone, the manor of Endsfield, called Endsfield farm, and his park in the parish of Lyghe, by estimation three hundred acres of land, to hold in capite by knight's service. This family of Sidney, which was antiently seated at Cranleigh, in Surry, and Kingesham, in Sussex, had their original from Sir William Sidney, chamberlain to Henry II. who came with him from Anjou, a direct descendant from whom was Sir William Sidney above-mentioned, (fn. 14) who in the reign of king Henry VIII. had acquired great reputation in his profession, as a soldier, and in the 5th year of that reign commanded the right wing of the army under the earl of Surry, at the battle of Floddenfield, when he was made a knight banneret. He was chamberlain and afterwards steward to prince Edward before his accession to the crown, after which he was one of the gentlemen of king Edward's privy chamber. He died in the 7th year of Edward VI. and was buried at Penshurst, leaving by Anne his wife, daughter of Hugh Pagenham, Sir Henry Sidney, his son and heir, and four daughters. Sir Henry Sidney had possession granted of the manors of Penshurst and Yensfield that year. He was highly esteemed by king Edward VI. with whom he had been bread from his infancy, and brought up in the court as a companion to him, at whose accession he was knighted, and made gentleman of his privy chamber, and in the 3d year of his reign sent ambassador into France, though not fully twenty-one years old. He was afterwards elected knight of the garter, was of the privy council, and four times made lord justice of Ireland, and thrice deputy for that realm, which is much indebted to him for the wife and prudent regulations he made, and the public works he effected during his government there. Having in his passage by water from Ludlow in Wales, of which principality he was then president, taken cold, he died after a few days sickness in the 28th year of queen Elizabeth, at the bishop's palace at Worcester; whence his body was, by the queen's order, conveyed with great solemnity, according to his degree, to Penshurst, where it was interred, but his heart was carried back to Ludlow, and buried there.
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"By the lady Mary, eldest daughter of John Dudley, duke of Northumberland, he had three sons, Sir Philip, Sir Robert, and Sir Thomas Sidney, and one surviving daughter, Mary, married to Henry, earl of Pembroke. Her name is highly celebrated by her brother, Sir Philip Sidney, in his Arcadia."
So this William Sidney did not own Penshurst. It was first owned by his grandson, Sir William Sidney, the father of Sir Henry Sidney KG.
It would be nice if the people of Kent could get a move on with doing their Victoria County History and elaborate more firmly on the ownership trail for Penshurst.
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A further bit of 'evidence' is to be found in the web-site for Penshurst place which states that in fact the property was gifted to Sir William Sidney in 1552, only three years different to Halsted's account so it has to be thereabouts.
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Arms Generally notes for William Sidney
Burke's Armory of 1842: Argent a pheon azure.
There are several variations of this including Barrignton imaplings in the Dictionary of British Arms.
His arms are also to be found on the Herraldic Roll of Ludlow Castle which his gt-grandson Sir Henry Sydney commissioned sometime between 1560 and 1568. By then one or two more quarterings had been acculated.
There are several variations of this including Barrignton imaplings in the Dictionary of British Arms.
His arms are also to be found on the Herraldic Roll of Ludlow Castle which his gt-grandson Sir Henry Sydney commissioned sometime between 1560 and 1568. By then one or two more quarterings had been acculated.
Armorial Blazon notes for William Sidney
Or a pheon Untinc, impaling Barrington.
OR
Or a pheon Azure
OR
Or a pheon Azure
Blazon source notes for William Sidney
Dictionary of British Arms, Medieval Ordinary, volume Four, p. 295.
which quoted:
"A list of Monumental Brasses in the British isles" by Mill Stephenson, pub Headely brothers, London 1926, Yoxford, Suffolk 1485, p. 476, and from which book the words were:
"YOXFORD ... IV. Tomesin, dau. of Wm. Sydney, esq., by his w. Tomesin Baryington, w, of Wm. Tendring, esq., 1485, in shroud, with 3 sons and 2 daus. in shrouds and 2 daus in ordinary dress with flowing hair, 1 sh. (3 other lost), large, now mur., C. Cotman, pl. 17, p. 13; Exeter Dioc. Archit. Soc. Trans. III, pl. 1, fig 2 (eff.); Suffling, 253 (eff.)."
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which quoted:
"A list of Monumental Brasses in the British isles" by Mill Stephenson, pub Headely brothers, London 1926, Yoxford, Suffolk 1485, p. 476, and from which book the words were:
"YOXFORD ... IV. Tomesin, dau. of Wm. Sydney, esq., by his w. Tomesin Baryington, w, of Wm. Tendring, esq., 1485, in shroud, with 3 sons and 2 daus. in shrouds and 2 daus in ordinary dress with flowing hair, 1 sh. (3 other lost), large, now mur., C. Cotman, pl. 17, p. 13; Exeter Dioc. Archit. Soc. Trans. III, pl. 1, fig 2 (eff.); Suffling, 253 (eff.)."
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