Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Birthabt 1243
Death1303
General3rd son. Of Alcester & Powke. Steward of King's Household.
MotherIsabel Mauduit (ca1227-<1268)
Notes for Sir Walter de Beauchamp Lord of Powke
Founder of family whose Margaret married Oliver StJohn.
Ed Munn reports him as marrying an Alice de Toni, aunt of the Alice who married his nephew Guy.
Was he also Steward of King's Household?  If so, he was probably the father of Alienore who m.(1) John le Boteler and (2) John de la Mare.
Ronny Bodine reports, in Dorothea Poyntz p. 106 & 144, that he married Alice de Bohun who was the mother of Giles de Beauchamp.
It all sounds a mess!
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In Knights of Edward I, his children are:

Alice m. Johl le Boteler
Margaret m. Robert, s. of Warin de Insula
Walter the heir who survived him
Giles who received Alcestor from Walter.
Arms Generally notes for Sir Walter de Beauchamp Lord of Powke
Gules a fess between six martlets or (Knts of Ed I)
Notes for Walter de & Alice de (Family)
On 25th Oct 2003, Douglas Richardson posted this, confirming their marriage:

"Complete Peerage 12 Pt. 1 (1953): 769-771 (sub Tony) has a good
account of the life of Ralph VI de Tony (died 1239), baron of
Flamstead, co. Hertford.  The editor states that Ralph VI de Tony
married betwen 1232 and 1234 Pernel, "daughter of Walter de Lacy,
presumably by his wife, Margaret, da. of William de Briouze."
Following Ralph's death at sea in 1239, Pernel married (2nd) William
de St. Omer.  She was last known to be living 25 November 1288, "when
she had quittance of the common summons of the eyre for common pleas
in Wiltshire." [C.P. 12 Pt. 1 (1953): 771, footnote e].

New research indicates that Lady Pernel de Tony was living as 9 March
1290, when she was examined by the Bishop of Worcester regarding the
marriage of her granddaughter, Alice de Tony, to Walter de Beauchamp.
The following item is found in the Register of Bishop Godfrey Giffard,
Part 3 (Episcopal Regs., Dioc. of Worc.) (1900): 367–368:

"Memorandum, that on the 7th of the Ides of March [9 March 1290], the
bishop examined witnesses, namely, Sir William le Poer, Sir Robert de
Bracy, Sir John de Thorndon, knights, and the lady Petronilla de Tovy
[Tony], and the rector of the church of Piriton [Pirton], upon the
degree of consanguinity between Sir Walter de Bello Campo, knight, and
the lady Alice de Tovy [Tony], his wife.  The bishop found them to be
within the fourth degree, and as they were ignorant at the time of
contract that there was any impediment between them, he decreed the
marriage and the issue thereof to be lawful." "
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Moor in his Knights of Ed I, finds that the dispensation by the Bishop of Worcester was on 23 Sep 1289.
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Last Modified 19 Jul 2006Created 14 May 2022 by Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re-created by Tim Powys-Lybbe on 14 May 20220